1 00:00:09,750 --> 00:00:08,070 one of the goals of the space station is 2 00:00:11,910 --> 00:00:09,760 to help prepare humankind for future 3 00:00:14,150 --> 00:00:11,920 exploration out into the solar system as 4 00:00:15,749 --> 00:00:14,160 well as to mars and including to mars 5 00:00:17,670 --> 00:00:15,759 and other destinations 6 00:00:19,109 --> 00:00:17,680 through it we've already learned that 7 00:00:20,710 --> 00:00:19,119 some of the crew members who have been 8 00:00:22,710 --> 00:00:20,720 in a weightless environment for a long 9 00:00:23,750 --> 00:00:22,720 period of time come home with diminished 10 00:00:25,589 --> 00:00:23,760 vision 11 00:00:27,670 --> 00:00:25,599 an experiment called ocular health is 12 00:00:30,310 --> 00:00:27,680 underway to find out why and the recent 13 00:00:32,870 --> 00:00:30,320 conclusion of expedition 47 marked the 14 00:00:34,790 --> 00:00:32,880 end of its on-orbit data gathering 15 00:00:36,310 --> 00:00:34,800 recently my colleague pat ryan talked 16 00:00:39,590 --> 00:00:36,320 with the principal investigator of the 17 00:00:41,510 --> 00:00:39,600 experiment dr christian otto to find out 18 00:00:43,510 --> 00:00:41,520 where they stand and he started by 19 00:00:45,510 --> 00:00:43,520 asking otto to characterize the vision 20 00:00:47,270 --> 00:00:45,520 changes that have been noticed in 21 00:00:48,950 --> 00:00:47,280 astronauts after shuttle flights and 22 00:00:52,389 --> 00:00:48,960 after six months on the space station 23 00:00:55,830 --> 00:00:53,910 that's a really interesting question pat 24 00:00:56,869 --> 00:00:55,840 and it really goes back many years in 25 00:00:58,470 --> 00:00:56,879 fact 26 00:01:00,709 --> 00:00:58,480 in shuttle it was noticed that crew 27 00:01:02,950 --> 00:01:00,719 members had changes in their vision and 28 00:01:05,830 --> 00:01:02,960 and they were often prescribed uh 29 00:01:08,149 --> 00:01:05,840 glasses uh space anticipation glasses 30 00:01:09,990 --> 00:01:08,159 that they could wear in flight as that 31 00:01:12,950 --> 00:01:10,000 vision changed and 32 00:01:14,789 --> 00:01:12,960 this was also noted in the iss era to a 33 00:01:15,910 --> 00:01:14,799 greater degree so there was this change 34 00:01:17,990 --> 00:01:15,920 in vision 35 00:01:20,469 --> 00:01:18,000 we think that has to do with changes in 36 00:01:22,950 --> 00:01:20,479 the structural nature of the eye 37 00:01:24,469 --> 00:01:22,960 we also know from 38 00:01:26,390 --> 00:01:24,479 shuttle flights there was a change in 39 00:01:28,149 --> 00:01:26,400 the intraocular pressure usually early 40 00:01:29,030 --> 00:01:28,159 in flight in the first seven to ten days 41 00:01:32,149 --> 00:01:29,040 and that 42 00:01:35,109 --> 00:01:32,159 tended to normalize but it wasn't until 43 00:01:37,670 --> 00:01:35,119 the mid 2000s 2005 that a crew member 44 00:01:40,069 --> 00:01:37,680 returned with swelling of the optic disc 45 00:01:41,990 --> 00:01:40,079 we call that disc edema and then 46 00:01:43,510 --> 00:01:42,000 critical care emergency medicine papal 47 00:01:45,350 --> 00:01:43,520 edema if it's caused by raised 48 00:01:47,910 --> 00:01:45,360 intracranial pressure so 49 00:01:49,910 --> 00:01:47,920 this appeared a bit strange at the time 50 00:01:52,469 --> 00:01:49,920 and then a second and then a third crew 51 00:01:54,069 --> 00:01:52,479 member returned with dyskidemia and 52 00:01:57,350 --> 00:01:54,079 space medicine knew that they were 53 00:01:59,190 --> 00:01:57,360 dealing with something here that was uh 54 00:02:02,069 --> 00:01:59,200 concerning and why are we getting crew 55 00:02:03,670 --> 00:02:02,079 members returning with optic disk edema 56 00:02:05,109 --> 00:02:03,680 and there are many causes of optic disc 57 00:02:07,670 --> 00:02:05,119 edema 58 00:02:09,029 --> 00:02:07,680 and investigations with those initial 59 00:02:10,630 --> 00:02:09,039 crew members 60 00:02:12,949 --> 00:02:10,640 determined there were some structural 61 00:02:14,710 --> 00:02:12,959 changes with the eyes and over the past 62 00:02:18,390 --> 00:02:14,720 several years it's been clear there's a 63 00:02:20,229 --> 00:02:18,400 constellation of signs and symptoms that 64 00:02:22,710 --> 00:02:20,239 has been formalized into the visual 65 00:02:24,309 --> 00:02:22,720 impairment intracranial pressure risk 66 00:02:26,550 --> 00:02:24,319 and so this is a risk that's been stood 67 00:02:28,869 --> 00:02:26,560 up by nasa and the ocular health 68 00:02:31,270 --> 00:02:28,879 experiment is the first on-board 69 00:02:33,350 --> 00:02:31,280 experiment in the portfolio symptoms 70 00:02:34,229 --> 00:02:33,360 such as 71 00:02:35,830 --> 00:02:34,239 so 72 00:02:38,790 --> 00:02:35,840 clearly the one you've mentioned is a 73 00:02:41,190 --> 00:02:38,800 change in vision typically uh near 74 00:02:43,990 --> 00:02:41,200 vision would degrade and far vision 75 00:02:46,150 --> 00:02:44,000 would remain intact or even get better 76 00:02:48,949 --> 00:02:46,160 we see changes in the shape of the globe 77 00:02:51,509 --> 00:02:48,959 it gets somewhat compressed the optic 78 00:02:53,750 --> 00:02:51,519 nerve that runs from the brain to the 79 00:02:56,229 --> 00:02:53,760 eye is surrounded in a sheath and has 80 00:02:58,309 --> 00:02:56,239 cerebral spinal fluid within that sheath 81 00:03:00,070 --> 00:02:58,319 around the optic nerve and if 82 00:03:02,470 --> 00:03:00,080 intracranial pressure goes up that 83 00:03:04,710 --> 00:03:02,480 sheath diameter can can increase 84 00:03:07,110 --> 00:03:04,720 suggestive of elevated pressure and 85 00:03:09,750 --> 00:03:07,120 we've seen significant changes 86 00:03:13,990 --> 00:03:09,760 in that parameter as well 87 00:03:16,070 --> 00:03:14,000 and the the disk edema in 2012 a an 88 00:03:18,470 --> 00:03:16,080 ocular coherence tomography machine 89 00:03:21,190 --> 00:03:18,480 which is a sophisticated device used in 90 00:03:23,350 --> 00:03:21,200 ophthalmology and optometry to look at 91 00:03:25,110 --> 00:03:23,360 how much swelling occurs 92 00:03:27,270 --> 00:03:25,120 in the retina was launched to the space 93 00:03:29,830 --> 00:03:27,280 station as a significant capability on 94 00:03:32,309 --> 00:03:29,840 space station now and we were able to 95 00:03:33,990 --> 00:03:32,319 measure to the micron level changes in 96 00:03:35,350 --> 00:03:34,000 this disk edema 97 00:03:37,509 --> 00:03:35,360 and clearly 98 00:03:40,470 --> 00:03:37,519 the crew members there are different 99 00:03:43,190 --> 00:03:40,480 severities we have individuals who reach 100 00:03:45,990 --> 00:03:43,200 clinical significance if you will 101 00:03:47,430 --> 00:03:46,000 with clinical grade discidema and then 102 00:03:49,270 --> 00:03:47,440 there are others who 103 00:03:52,390 --> 00:03:49,280 either don't get very much swelling or 104 00:03:55,030 --> 00:03:52,400 have a very mild amount of swelling do 105 00:03:56,470 --> 00:03:55,040 any of them improve spontaneously once 106 00:03:58,229 --> 00:03:56,480 they come back to work 107 00:04:00,070 --> 00:03:58,239 yeah so in the ocular health experiment 108 00:04:03,110 --> 00:04:00,080 we've been able to again we're getting 109 00:04:05,830 --> 00:04:03,120 this categorization of subjects 110 00:04:08,229 --> 00:04:05,840 in 10 subjects that we've tested so far 111 00:04:10,390 --> 00:04:08,239 one has become a clinical is a clinical 112 00:04:13,270 --> 00:04:10,400 vip case so they have the edema to the 113 00:04:14,710 --> 00:04:13,280 point that it's clinically concerning 114 00:04:16,789 --> 00:04:14,720 all the others would be considered 115 00:04:18,629 --> 00:04:16,799 non-cases 116 00:04:20,949 --> 00:04:18,639 some of those again are sub-clinical but 117 00:04:23,030 --> 00:04:20,959 they're not clinical cases 118 00:04:25,270 --> 00:04:23,040 and what we're seeing is certainly in 119 00:04:27,749 --> 00:04:25,280 the case these symptoms are persisting 120 00:04:29,189 --> 00:04:27,759 not all of them but many of the symptoms 121 00:04:31,670 --> 00:04:29,199 are persisting 122 00:04:33,350 --> 00:04:31,680 through one year post flight and that's 123 00:04:35,110 --> 00:04:33,360 the length of time that the ocular 124 00:04:37,510 --> 00:04:35,120 health study is testing individuals we 125 00:04:38,950 --> 00:04:37,520 test five times post flight 126 00:04:44,230 --> 00:04:38,960 as soon as the crew member returns 127 00:04:46,790 --> 00:04:44,240 flight day 30 90 180 and then 365. 128 00:04:48,950 --> 00:04:46,800 and in other individuals the non-cases 129 00:04:51,909 --> 00:04:48,960 we see the symptoms abate 130 00:04:53,990 --> 00:04:51,919 rapidly and without consequence when 131 00:04:56,390 --> 00:04:54,000 you're first considering this 132 00:04:58,950 --> 00:04:56,400 what sort of were the options about what 133 00:05:00,150 --> 00:04:58,960 may be causing the problem 134 00:05:02,070 --> 00:05:00,160 so 135 00:05:04,230 --> 00:05:02,080 initially a lot of the work done in the 136 00:05:07,270 --> 00:05:04,240 space program has clearly shown that 137 00:05:09,590 --> 00:05:07,280 fluid shift is a is a major change that 138 00:05:11,909 --> 00:05:09,600 occurs in the physiological system one 139 00:05:13,670 --> 00:05:11,919 to two liters of fluid tends to move 140 00:05:15,909 --> 00:05:13,680 from the lower limbs 141 00:05:18,710 --> 00:05:15,919 towards the head into the thorax in the 142 00:05:21,510 --> 00:05:18,720 chest etc so that really was one of the 143 00:05:23,029 --> 00:05:21,520 first hypotheses the primary hypothesis 144 00:05:26,230 --> 00:05:23,039 that this may be 145 00:05:28,150 --> 00:05:26,240 causing some changes in the the pressure 146 00:05:31,270 --> 00:05:28,160 in the head clearly in weightlessness 147 00:05:33,590 --> 00:05:31,280 there's no acceleration due to gravity 148 00:05:36,629 --> 00:05:33,600 we do think that there may be some 149 00:05:38,710 --> 00:05:36,639 congestion of blood in in the head and 150 00:05:40,629 --> 00:05:38,720 in the brain because we don't have that 151 00:05:42,070 --> 00:05:40,639 assistance due to gravity like we have 152 00:05:43,749 --> 00:05:42,080 here on earth helping to drain the 153 00:05:44,629 --> 00:05:43,759 venous blood 154 00:05:48,950 --> 00:05:44,639 uh 155 00:05:50,390 --> 00:05:48,960 other hypotheses that we're still 156 00:05:52,070 --> 00:05:50,400 investigating 157 00:05:55,189 --> 00:05:52,080 there may be 158 00:05:56,710 --> 00:05:55,199 an underlying genetic propensity 159 00:06:01,909 --> 00:05:56,720 the 160 00:06:04,070 --> 00:06:01,919 dr smith is investigating 161 00:06:06,309 --> 00:06:04,080 we've identified that crew members who 162 00:06:08,629 --> 00:06:06,319 have an elevated cardiovascular risk 163 00:06:11,590 --> 00:06:08,639 seem to be more susceptible to the vip 164 00:06:13,270 --> 00:06:11,600 syndrome we think that may be due to the 165 00:06:15,189 --> 00:06:13,280 elasticity or what we call the 166 00:06:17,990 --> 00:06:15,199 compliance of the blood vessels and the 167 00:06:19,830 --> 00:06:18,000 ability to accommodate that fluid shift 168 00:06:21,430 --> 00:06:19,840 so if your vessels are stiffer you'll 169 00:06:22,870 --> 00:06:21,440 move more of that 170 00:06:23,830 --> 00:06:22,880 fluid towards 171 00:06:25,909 --> 00:06:23,840 the head 172 00:06:29,189 --> 00:06:25,919 a couple of minutes ago you mentioned 173 00:06:30,870 --> 00:06:29,199 a couple of different ways that you were 174 00:06:33,670 --> 00:06:30,880 getting data from the crew on orbit 175 00:06:35,670 --> 00:06:33,680 different kinds of examinations i i'm 176 00:06:37,749 --> 00:06:35,680 guessing that that relates to the 177 00:06:40,150 --> 00:06:37,759 several different possible causes that 178 00:06:42,070 --> 00:06:40,160 you're just talking about as well yeah 179 00:06:44,710 --> 00:06:42,080 pat this is an incredibly complex 180 00:06:47,189 --> 00:06:44,720 problem um that involves the ocular 181 00:06:48,790 --> 00:06:47,199 system itself is incredibly complex so 182 00:06:50,150 --> 00:06:48,800 we need to understand the changes that 183 00:06:51,990 --> 00:06:50,160 are happening in the structure 184 00:06:54,710 --> 00:06:52,000 structural anatomy we have to understand 185 00:06:56,390 --> 00:06:54,720 the functional changes so we use ocular 186 00:06:58,070 --> 00:06:56,400 ultrasound to understand what's going on 187 00:06:59,830 --> 00:06:58,080 behind the eye i mentioned the optic 188 00:07:02,070 --> 00:06:59,840 nerve sheath and changes with 189 00:07:05,189 --> 00:07:02,080 intracranial pressure 190 00:07:07,189 --> 00:07:05,199 there's the globe of the eye if you will 191 00:07:09,110 --> 00:07:07,199 appears to be compressed we're measuring 192 00:07:11,189 --> 00:07:09,120 how much compression that occurs in each 193 00:07:13,430 --> 00:07:11,199 individual so we use ocular ultrasound 194 00:07:15,270 --> 00:07:13,440 for that we want to know what's 195 00:07:17,110 --> 00:07:15,280 happening with the pressure inside the 196 00:07:18,790 --> 00:07:17,120 eye intraocular pressure which is very 197 00:07:20,070 --> 00:07:18,800 important for example in glaucoma 198 00:07:21,990 --> 00:07:20,080 patients we don't want the pressure to 199 00:07:24,070 --> 00:07:22,000 be too high or too low it appears with 200 00:07:26,870 --> 00:07:24,080 most of the crew members on station it's 201 00:07:29,589 --> 00:07:26,880 staying nominal very very comparable to 202 00:07:31,430 --> 00:07:29,599 preflight i mentioned the oct device on 203 00:07:33,029 --> 00:07:31,440 station so we can 204 00:07:35,270 --> 00:07:33,039 determine what's happening with the 205 00:07:37,909 --> 00:07:35,280 optic disc edema 206 00:07:40,309 --> 00:07:37,919 we're also using ocular ultrasound to 207 00:07:41,990 --> 00:07:40,319 look at blood flow in the eye is are the 208 00:07:44,869 --> 00:07:42,000 is the blood flow being altered and 209 00:07:47,029 --> 00:07:44,879 changing pressures and we're also 210 00:07:49,189 --> 00:07:47,039 looking at other aspects of in other 211 00:07:51,430 --> 00:07:49,199 systems that may be interacting with the 212 00:07:54,550 --> 00:07:51,440 ocular system so for example we're using 213 00:07:56,869 --> 00:07:54,560 transcranial doppler to look at changes 214 00:07:58,550 --> 00:07:56,879 in blood flow in the brain can that give 215 00:08:00,869 --> 00:07:58,560 us an indication of what's happening to 216 00:08:03,110 --> 00:08:00,879 intracranial pressure because it's that 217 00:08:05,830 --> 00:08:03,120 pressure that may be changing uh the 218 00:08:08,230 --> 00:08:05,840 pressures behind the eye do you do the 219 00:08:10,390 --> 00:08:08,240 same sort of examinations with the crew 220 00:08:12,070 --> 00:08:10,400 members after they come home to you you 221 00:08:14,390 --> 00:08:12,080 mentioned that you're going to do tests 222 00:08:16,390 --> 00:08:14,400 maybe out to a year are you doing all of 223 00:08:17,350 --> 00:08:16,400 these different kinds of tests over that 224 00:08:19,110 --> 00:08:17,360 time 225 00:08:20,390 --> 00:08:19,120 yeah we are and so it's really important 226 00:08:22,150 --> 00:08:20,400 to understand 227 00:08:23,990 --> 00:08:22,160 what is happening to the crew member 228 00:08:25,990 --> 00:08:24,000 pre-flight what are the changes in 229 00:08:27,830 --> 00:08:26,000 flight but how are they recovering post 230 00:08:29,670 --> 00:08:27,840 flight and so that was one of the 231 00:08:31,749 --> 00:08:29,680 designs of the ocular health experiment 232 00:08:34,070 --> 00:08:31,759 to follow the crew member for that 233 00:08:35,509 --> 00:08:34,080 one year post flight 234 00:08:37,829 --> 00:08:35,519 so over the entire duration of the 235 00:08:40,949 --> 00:08:37,839 experiments three year commitment for 236 00:08:42,709 --> 00:08:40,959 for the the subjects and so we are 237 00:08:45,030 --> 00:08:42,719 following them with all of the tests and 238 00:08:46,230 --> 00:08:45,040 in fact we add some tests that can't be 239 00:08:48,949 --> 00:08:46,240 done in in 240 00:08:51,430 --> 00:08:48,959 on the iss for example uh 241 00:08:53,430 --> 00:08:51,440 we do the mri magnetic resonance imaging 242 00:08:55,750 --> 00:08:53,440 in the brain pre-flight and also five 243 00:08:58,389 --> 00:08:55,760 times post flight and what we're trying 244 00:09:00,470 --> 00:08:58,399 to characterize is the recovery how fast 245 00:09:02,470 --> 00:09:00,480 is the recovery in crew members is it 246 00:09:04,870 --> 00:09:02,480 complete at one year 247 00:09:06,550 --> 00:09:04,880 and for example is it not complete and 248 00:09:08,389 --> 00:09:06,560 in the cases 249 00:09:10,870 --> 00:09:08,399 what is the recovery pattern for those 250 00:09:12,310 --> 00:09:10,880 individuals and this information will 251 00:09:13,910 --> 00:09:12,320 help us understand the 252 00:09:15,910 --> 00:09:13,920 interrelationships of the different 253 00:09:17,829 --> 00:09:15,920 systems not just the ocular system but 254 00:09:20,150 --> 00:09:17,839 potentially the cardiovascular and the 255 00:09:21,670 --> 00:09:20,160 central nervous system but help us 256 00:09:24,230 --> 00:09:21,680 understand 257 00:09:26,470 --> 00:09:24,240 what the roles are of each of these in 258 00:09:29,829 --> 00:09:26,480 in precipitating what we're seeing with 259 00:09:30,870 --> 00:09:29,839 the ocular changes and ultimately 260 00:09:33,990 --> 00:09:30,880 help us 261 00:09:35,750 --> 00:09:34,000 design countermeasures to prevent 262 00:09:37,350 --> 00:09:35,760 the vip syndrome from occurring good 263 00:09:38,949 --> 00:09:37,360 luck with the analysis 264 00:09:40,389 --> 00:09:38,959 wait to hear what happens thanks very 265 00:09:41,990 --> 00:09:40,399 much it's great to be with you dr 266 00:09:43,910 --> 00:09:42,000 christian otto is the principal 267 00:09:46,949 --> 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